why is docetism wrong

This makes the Carpocratians likely proxies between the Cerinthians and the Marcionites. As we have seen before, this is particularly a sore point for Ignatius as he saw his own suffering as being linked to the suffering of Christ. I think a copy of Plato’s Republic was found at Nag Hammadi…. The main thrust of Augustine (and the apostle Paul) was that we all live as sinners who even at our very best fall well short. Docetists were a spin-off of Gnosticism (around 1st-2nd centuries A.D.) who believed Jesus only appeared to be human. Good call on Huller. The Ebionites thought Yahweh was the highest God, while the Cerinthians and Carpocratians did not (Against Heresies i.25-26). We can't and won't do it, and never even fully want to do it. No third type of being could do it for real, because it wouldn't be on either side of the relationship that was to be healed. Heresies such as Docetism and Gnosticism like to downplay this at best and turn this into an evil thing at worst. There is good reason to believe that Mohammed had contact with their ideas when he lived near Palestine. As for Polycarp, my suspicion is that, after breaking with Marcion, Apelles (whom I believe Polycarp and Valentinus were latter names attributed to) either established the Johannine Christian sect that was popular in Syria and the eastern part of the empire, or become a major player in a pre-existing Johannine community. Docetism (and its predecessor - the idea that the Spirit descended onto Jesus, something like Adoptionism) came in several versions. The major point of contention was whether Yahweh was the highest God, or whether Yahweh was an inferior angel – there were subsequent divergences about whether the most high created the Earth, or whether Yahweh (the inferior angel) did it. As Plato tells it, the beautiful orderliness of the universe is not only the manifestation of Intellect; it is also the model for rational souls to understand and to emulate. The church, almost as a whole, accepted what the Council determined on the matter, leaving Apollinarism to a small set of followers, which included the Polemians. I have various reasons to think this, but it explains why Apelles/Polycarp went to such lengths to discredit Marcion, and why Valentinus would be accepting of Paul. Arius was a priest in Alexandria, Egypt, who died in AD 336. So Docetism was an error concerning the nature of Christ. There were many small Jewish groups (like the Essenes of Dead Sea Scrolls fame) with many different shades of practice, with many ideas and practices which bled into those of other groups, making a continuum. Any thoughts on this Mark? Ideas of a purely symbolic resurrection were later developed by a group called Gnostics. Of course, I’d need to bone up on my ancient Greek, or discover the elusive babelfish – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pliny_the_Younger_on_Christians, You don’t want to talk to “deplorable” Flavius Josephus?. And only some of them were rejected by mainstream Christianity. Apollinaris the Younger (d. 390 AD) became bishop of Laodicea (in Syria) around 361 AD. The universe, he proposes, is the product of rational, purposive, and beneficent agency.

So the one who died on the cross was not a true human being. My impression is that this was originally where the spirit had left Jesus. Some end-times theorists lump them together with the 'Balaamists' as well as 'Jezebel' (from Revelation's message to Thyatira, 2:20), making them a sign of what is to grow from within the church in the last days. Arianisms, ancient and modern, say 'not so'. Mind you, Arius thought that he thought highly of Jesus: Jesus was seen as the very best creature that God created. This also fits with the Address to Theophilus in Acts, as the first half is Johannine, and I suspect written by “Polycarp”. At the moment I don’t have a satisfactory answer to that. See what secret knowledge the dictionary has about gnosticism.

There's not much of a setting - it's as if no life was lived behind the sayings. They're not about him giving grace, or being up close and personal with people.

For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. Orthodox belief teaches that Jesus was fully God and truly human. The "fully God, fully human" approach of Athanasius won the day in 381 at the Council of Constantinople. One interesting sidenote is that this theological underpinning makes the trinity simpler and less obtuse. Elxaites were disapora Jews who worshipped the stocheia, who are condemned in Galatians.

All these extra cameo figures I think posit possible destinations for where the spirit went after it left Jesus’ body. John the Apostle directly confronts the heresy of Docetism in his epistles: By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; and this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world. Ebionitism [ < Heb. Everything. Obviously the New Testament states differently. Do Christians believe in a literal Lake of Fire. I don’t know if you subscribe to the alternate dating of the four gospels (I do) which places the dates of all four gospels post 150-165 AD/CE, but it could also be possible that Polycarp and Theophilus (Luke 1:3) are acquaintances. 160-183 AD/CE)?

a wonder-work of God's creation we were made to be a part of, and God is still at work today to make it whole again; the knowledge on which everything hangs is already revealed by (and.

Arius had triggered such turmoil within the churches that it was a leading cause of the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD. Justin Martyr was clearly aware of multiple gospel traditions (virgin birth+Logos – see 1st Apology), which makes him seem to me to be a consumer of the Diatessaron; in that sense, Justin Martyr starts looking a lot like a Valentinian, as Tatian (supposedly) became one too. Docetism has something to do with the doctrine of Christ. God so loved us that God 'incarnated' (that is, became human) in Jesus, thus blessing the whole 'material' realm with the 'spiritual' impact of God. I’d think he’d be right up your alley, http://stephanhuller.blogspot.com/2011/12/after-twenty-five-years-of-thinking.html. I love it. Other early church fathers, such as Ignatius of Antioch and Irenaeus, also wrote against the heresy. I’ve looked his cite up occasionally but never really dug into it. As theologian Rev. That sounds good, considering it was the Valentinians who were “copious” users of Johns’ Gospel (AH 3.11.7). Indeed reading the Acts of John would indicate that Christians (or some Gnostic sect) were well aware of this concept, as the text both compares and contrasts Christ’s crucifixion with a heavenly cross of light. Science seems to be the first religion. This Platonic figure in turn was commonly taken to be a “foreshadowing” of the Christ character and cross. My impression is that this was originally where the spirit had left Jesus. Old-fashioned Gnosticism morphed into new-fangled New Thought (Unity, Christian Science) and then New Age (Celestine Prophecy, and especially Urantia), and left its traces in other places (in some of the Word of Faith preachers, in A Course on Miracles, in the late Heaven's Gate, among some religion scholars, and in much of US pop religious culture).

Why is Docetism/Appolinarianism wrong? This reminded me of an article from the Jehovah’s Witnesses’ watchtower: By about 170 C.E., the Syrian writer Tatian (c. 120-173 C.E.)

According to the Timaeus, this is where the demiurge manifests and orders the universe by mixing together both the material and heavenly realms. I would go to Pontus on the Southern coast of the Black Sea in 112CE…really would like to know what was going on there.

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